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| michel944 | Sep 2 2011, 08:34:15 PM Post #621 |
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You can rest assured that the RUF RGT-8 is gonna be my favorite and most used car in the game !!! I can't wait to lap Indy, Infineon and Hockenheim with it !
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| V12 RIOT | Sep 3 2011, 01:54:47 AM Post #622 |
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I will believe my way to victory.
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I'm hearing things on the grape vine: Apparently countersteering, so like when you tap left-right-left-right e.t.c in the middle of the corners with the pad to control the car on the limit, will make your car lose control completely... Apparently it has way too much response... And apparently the game is even more orientated towards wheel users this time around... If this is the case I will probably stop racing, as I am fed up of being unable to drive cars by pushing and working with a car being balanced on the edge of sliding. I can't be bothered with another FM3 zero tolerance of slip. |
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| BBULL89 | Sep 3 2011, 02:13:45 AM Post #623 |
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Well That is most likely the steering assist that are on the controllers. In Forza 3 for the controller there was a assist for steering to help with oversteer. With the wheel this assist were almost non-existent. This steering assist helped regain control in case of a slide. In Forza 4 now for both wheel and controller in the chose assists menu there are 4 steering assist levels with the highest being simulation which obviously means none. People that have played on controller and played a Forza 4 demo have raved about how realistic is now, and wheel users hardly noticed a difference. If these assists are labeled 1, 2, 3, 4: 2 would be Forza 3 controller, 3 would be the Forza 3 wheel, and 4 would be simulation. EDIT: Also from the new under the hood from Wednesday they talked about the Steering in Forza 4.
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| V12 RIOT | Sep 3 2011, 02:16:26 AM Post #624 |
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Right, and where would Forza 2 come on this scale? |
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| BBULL89 | Sep 3 2011, 02:19:48 AM Post #625 |
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I have no clue I have heard no one compare 4 to 2 yet other than it having user lobbies back. Also I have heard people going back to Forza 2 from Forza 3 because they believe the steering is more realistic, but thats all I have heard. Also I updated my last post with the Steering section from the newest Under the Hood about the Steering in Forza 4. |
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| V12 RIOT | Sep 3 2011, 02:25:34 AM Post #626 |
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Ok I read it, and I'm not sure, that all sounds absolutely fantastic, apart from one thing I would very much like anybody to clear up - Does that mean on simulation steering if you turn the pad stick all the way to the left or right its like doing it with a wheel and your tyres just scrub? Because we still need that aid!! Other than that it sounds absolutely brilliant, at least for me ![]() "Also, initial turn-in is direct and linear" <3 YAY I CAN ATTACK STUFF! |
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| BlackRuckus05 | Sep 3 2011, 02:29:48 AM Post #627 |
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"Second, we reevaluated our max steering angles and the system that creates them per car. We were able to use our researched curb-to-curb turning radius in combination with our new tire data (per compound peak slip angle) and other researched parameters, such as track width and wheelbase to reverse engineer each car’s max steering angle. We already had this data researched for some cars, but not for all of them. So we filled in the research gaps. In Forza 4, lock-to-lock steering is far more accurate for every car in the game." Arghhhh... Why can't I play the game with my G27 !? ![]() That way I could do like in my PC sims and use the exact steering ratio of the car for more realism ! |
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| BBULL89 | Sep 3 2011, 02:32:55 AM Post #628 |
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On the controller. The Turning left to right is 1-to-1. So it means you turn your left stick all the was to the left the wheel will hit the left steering lock. |
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| BBULL89 | Sep 3 2011, 02:42:11 AM Post #629 |
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I don't care about Double posting bust some people might like this![]() Body Roll! |
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| BlackRuckus05 | Sep 3 2011, 02:43:23 AM Post #630 |
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YEAHHHHHH ! ![]() Proper classic car driving ! (Hopefully)
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| V12 RIOT | Sep 3 2011, 02:48:32 AM Post #631 |
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Wait, so the tyres will scrub really badly if you full lock the pad? ![]() I've just been checking and no they wont. I am very much looking forward to these physics very much! Yippiee!!!!!!! ![]() Edit - Ruckus, you mean sailing not driving
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| BlackRuckus05 | Sep 3 2011, 02:54:39 AM Post #632 |
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LOOOOOOOL ! No I mean driving !
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| V12 RIOT | Sep 3 2011, 02:57:02 AM Post #633 |
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No, no, I'm pretty sure you sail old muscle cars...
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| BlackRuckus05 | Sep 3 2011, 02:59:13 AM Post #634 |
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Well, you can do epic powerslides and burnouts, but I guess we can put that in "driving" right ? ![]() But you can indeed call "sailing" the art of driving an old Cadillac Fleetwood
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| HDi Sarrazin 8x | Sep 3 2011, 03:01:04 AM Post #635 |
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Rape my mind and smell the poppies
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If you guys want to drive driving boats, you should have tried the Camaro SS, the Charger and there was one other one on Race Pro. My god they were impossible to turn.
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"I did what I did for the good of the realm." "The realm? Do you know what the realm is? It's the thousand blades of Aegon's enemies, a story we agreed to tell each other over and over until we forget that it's a lie." "But what do we have left once we abandon the lie? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all?" "Chaos isn't a pit, it's a ladder. Many who have tried to climb it fail, never get to try again. The fall breaks them. Some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse, they cling to the realm. For the gods, for love. Illusions, only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is." | |
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| BlackRuckus05 | Sep 3 2011, 03:02:07 AM Post #636 |
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And you should try the 64' Ford Falcon race car in rFactor !!!
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| Velox Midget | Sep 3 2011, 03:07:06 AM Post #637 |
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Alex i never said they'd lose millions of sales, others said that. I happen to realise that our opinion won't change their sales noticeably, so I certainly don't think they'll lose millions of sales. I'm a realist, I understand that us Forza fans don't register numberwise compared to franchises like Halo and COD etc, so don't get me confused with others. I also don't expect or hold out any hopes for a response from EA, on the contrary, I fully expect to hear nothing from them, merely confirming my opinion that they are arrogant and care nothing for their image or customers. Oh you forgot to mention Bungie when you mentioned game devs with active community communication and presence. Size doesn't matter, being run by gamers is what matters. One of the most successful game developers around; Bungie are the makers of one of the biggest franchises (Halo is still the number 1 single platform non-Nintendo game), but they have paid plenty of attention to their community, responding to complaints and questions with incredible regularity, character and depth. That is part of the reason they have such a massive fanbase, they CARE about us and our opinions. I really cannot believe that you didn't mention them. I'll freely admit that I'm a massive Halo fan, but a large part of that love comes from being involved in the process of improving the games because Bungie want to make something we WANT and like. I genuinely feel that my opinions were listened to and considered, proving that no matter how big you are, customers are important in the process. The Ask Alex part of the Turn10 updates has nothing on the Bungie.net weekly updates. I don't believe it is a money issue with EA either, because nobody else get Porsche and Microsoft throw money at their game studios. I suspect Microsoft would have paid what EA wanted, because they are working very hard to make Forza one of their king-hitters. Microsoft have put an enormous amount of importance on the Forza franchise, I cannot emphasise that enough. Forza is one of the most important pieces of the XBox 360 universe as far as Microsoft are concerned, every interview I read with anybody from Microsoft where Forza comes up makes this clearer and clearer. I really don't believe money was the problem based on what I know of the way they see the series. I may be wrong though and will happily accept that if I am New steering sounds good! I can't wait, it should really suit my driving style. If the ripplestrips are fixed too, then I will be a hell of a lot faster than I am at the moment due to my style being a rather aggressive one where ripplestrips are involved. I'm excited! Woop woop, I get to be a skipper now! Finally we get real boat sailing in classic cars, which let's face it is why many of us want to drive/sail them
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| HDi Sarrazin 8x | Sep 3 2011, 03:09:40 AM Post #638 |
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And that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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"I did what I did for the good of the realm." "The realm? Do you know what the realm is? It's the thousand blades of Aegon's enemies, a story we agreed to tell each other over and over until we forget that it's a lie." "But what do we have left once we abandon the lie? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all?" "Chaos isn't a pit, it's a ladder. Many who have tried to climb it fail, never get to try again. The fall breaks them. Some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse, they cling to the realm. For the gods, for love. Illusions, only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is." | |
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| Y0SSARIANUK | Sep 3 2011, 03:23:11 AM Post #639 |
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Go Kings!
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I assumed I was quoting Enigma, for no reason imparticular It's almost always a money thing. They know people won't but EA racing games just because they have Porsche, but they are a business and they are here to make money - and whatever you may think about companies run by gamers, they are here to make money. Always. Otherwise the games would be free, and therefore a significantly lower quality. With the size the games industry is at now, the amount of money involved is astronomically high - EA can ask for as much money as they want, and they know MS can afford it. If I was in charge of EA, I'd try and get as much money as possible from MS for Porsche, especially with the knowledge that Forza is a major franchise for the Xbox. I'm pretty certain that at some point down the line, they will agree a price and Porsche will be DLC, but you'll not get T10 admitting that they won't pay what EA are asking, because then people will start blaming them for only thinking about the money, and claiming that they are just trying to keep more money for themselves by not spending it on Porsche. It's lose-lose. With a company the size of EA, it isn't arrogance that stops them from replying, but if they tried to reply to every complaint thread they get, they would never get around to doing anything else. They don't have time to reply to each individual complaint. If people were really pushing them for an explanation, including Porsche etc, I'm sure they'd give one - but they haven't, and they won't until they have to. I didn't mention Bungie because I never use their forums, because they are full of whining 12 year olds and trolls, so I couldn't possibly comment on what they are like. They have such a massive fanbase because MS have made Halo the xbox exclusive. What most people who regularly use gaming forums fail to realise is that we represent a small section of the community. The majority of games are casual players, and don't care about a few small glitches (which can easily end up filling pages of forums, making it look like a game is broken, when really an animation is slightly off - see all the complaints about the wrong car model in one of the autovista shots. No casual player would really give a crap.) Halo has a big fanbase beacuse of the money MS pumped into advertising it and making it the main exclusive. Money is the driving force in the industry, and I'm certain it is money that has caused T10 to lose Porsche. |
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| Velox Midget | Sep 3 2011, 03:27:13 AM Post #640 |
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Bungie had a big fanbase before Halo you know.Halo was looking to be big which is why Microsoft wanted them. Also as a user of the Bungie.net forums, there really aren't that many 12 year old whiners, certainly no more so than any other forum site. |
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