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Which Classes would you like
LMP1 15 (25%)
LMP2 10 (16.7%)
LMPC 8 (13.3%)
GTE-Pro 17 (28.3%)
GTE-Am 4 (6.7%)
GTC 6 (10%)
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Topic Started: Jul 26 2011, 05:55:53 PM (3,209 Views)
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Mods can do what they want with this thread, but, my proposal is that with the new 16 player lobbies in Forza 4, would you like to add the LMPC/GTC classes to the FLMS?
So please pick up to 6 options. Class descriptions below.

LMP1: Currently in the FLMS, uses the Peugeot's, Audi's, etc.
LMP2: Currently in the FLMS, uses the Acura ARX-01's, Porsche RS Spyder's, etc.
LMPC: A spec class using the Oreca FLM09, would be new for 2012
GTE-Pro: Currently in the FLMS as the GT2 class, uses the Porsche 911's, Ferrari F430's, etc.
GTE-Am: A class that would be for newer drivers that might not be as up to speed as the drivers in the Pro category, uses same cars as in the GTE-Pro class, would be new for 2012
GTC: A spec class using the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup, would be new for 2012

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My personal opinion would be to have LMP - LMPC and GT - GTC

Keep the LMP1 and GT classes from this year, they're great!

Use the C classes as starter classes, kind of what LMP2 is now, but one for GT also. This would allow people trying to get into GT to have a GT starter class.

Both LMPC and GTC would be one make classes as stated above which would alleviate balancing issues we are currently encountering in LMP2 and give more freedom to balance GT and LMP1. This would also allow all 4 classes to race together in the same lobby or you could do a P1 - GT lobby and a C class lobby, it all depends on the amount of people in each class.

I don't think we have enough members to race 6 classes. It's gone 2 to 3 and maybe now 4.

That's my take on the matter, but I haven't been here very long so I don't think my opinions should have much weight versus others who have been here longer.
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I think that there obviously needs to be an LMP1 class, and because the LMPC cars can be upgraded to run in LMP2 we dont need two separate classes. GTE pro is another necessary one and I think GTE am would be great for all of the new drivers (there would need to be some sort of requirement so that we dont have an overly good driver in this class) 4 cars in each class in each lobby. I think it would be a ton of fun! :)

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If that how you're going to do it. I'm an amateur. Stick me in a GTC car please.
Oh wait, it doesn't work like that. It's nearly impossible to implement someone as being an amateur on a game.

A game isn't like real life. In real life you spend weeks, months or years getting better in a car to try and be the best in whatever series you want. In a game, you practice for a few hours and all of a sudden you're on the pace with everyone else. This whole LMPC and GTC on a game is pretty much pointless. Stick with what you got, because if it ain't broken, don't fix it!
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Too many classes would cause a couple of classes to have only a few drivers in them...

Of course I wanted to keep P1 but then... It'll depend how many drivers we will have for Forza 4 and if they want to run P1 or LMPC ?

Enigma: I don't know if you saw what I saw, but some people will just never get up to speed, let's face it...
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My idea for the C classes wouldn't be to exclude good drivers. If RIOT wanted to drive around in a Porsche cup car that would be fine, but would he want to? It's almost like real life in that if your a good driver you want to beat good drivers in good cars not the other way around.
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So, going by the number of G/L(Groups per Lobby) we have currently in F3, I'd say we'll get 8 groups in F4. Hear me out on this, so, in F3, the G/L was 4. The C/L was 8, which means the C/G was 2. So if T10 keep the same C/G, then with 16 player lobbies, the G/L will be 8. And if we do include LMPC and GTC, they could be their own group leaving us with 7 groups to balance cars into. LMP cars could get G1-G3, GT cars G4-G7, and the Challenge classes G8.

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First Speed let's wait and see if the cars are properly balanced this time :)

By the way, LMPC, since they have Corvette engines, might have the possiblity to have the other Corvette engines as a conversion upgrade ! :)
Edited by BlackRuckus05, Jul 26 2011, 06:26:23 PM.
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First Speed let's wait and see if the cars are properly balanced this time :)

By the way, LMPC, since they have Corvette engines, might have the possiblity to have the other Corvette engines as a conversion upgrade ! :)
what do you mean? They're not properly balanced in real life :D
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Well, let's hope they are properly balanced, but if they aren't, we have more options...

EDIT: The Pro/Am debate isn't for those who are fast out of the box, and for the argument that someone may be offended by being placed in a class labelled "Amateur", all that would have to be said is that they are being placed in that class so that they have good competition out of the box. They get to drive the same cars as the "pro" drivers, and they don't have the pressure of competing at a level they may not be comfortable driving at yet. The whole point of the Challenge/Am categories is to allow someone to get up to speed without being discouraged that they can't win races.
Edited by WOTC Speed, Jul 26 2011, 06:33:23 PM.

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I still think that there should be an LMP2 class with the LMPC cars instead of just LMPC. If you have just LMPC you exclude a whole bunch of cars.

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hey what about fast forwarding into the future?

What I mean is start up the World Sports Car Championship before it starts in real life?
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Problem is, people want P1, P2, PC, GT2 and GTC...

It's not gonna work !!! We don't have 100 drivers and LMS normal races dont have more than +-30 cars...
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The whole point is to see what people would like next year. All this thread is is an idea being thrown out there for people to digest, not a steadfast decision.

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I think this is what Ruckus is referring to http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/le-mans-lms-drops-lmp1-category/
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Well, I'm giving my idea...

I don't think it would be very fun for people to race against only 2 other drivers because we have too many classes and not enough people...
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Some of the classes would encourage new members who may not be up to FLMS speeds quite yet.

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We could have P1 OR P2, LMPC for slower and learning guys who want a drive in P1/P2, GT2 and GTC for again slower and learning guys who want a drive in GT2...

But I hope we'll have enough people to fill all seats !
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We could have P1 OR P2, LMPC for slower and learning guys who want a drive in P1/P2, GT2 and GTC for again slower and learning guys who want a drive in GT2...

But I hope we'll have enough people to fill all seats !
That's exactly what I said. ^_^
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Indeed XD
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