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| Community Discussion - The Future of the FLMS; Please read and respond. | |
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| Jonny | Jul 18 2014, 10:32:24 PM Post #1 |
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Hi guys. I'm sure it hasn't escaped everyone's attention that the numbers participating in FLMS events has been steadily declining over the past few months. I've been looking around, and other FM4 leagues appear to be suffering similarly, although perhaps not to the same extent as here. The FLMS has always been a niche series, not everyone's cup of tea, and therefore has never really attracted the colossal numbers of other FM leagues. However, I feel that we are now at a crossroads. With the arrival of Xbox One and FM5, the entire FM community was really split in two. After looking at FM5, we felt at the time that it wasn't a viable option for this series. So we stuck with FM4. But it seems that more and more are switching, or moving away from FM altogether. Anyway, the purpose of this thread is to gauge the community's thoughts on what we should do for the future of the series. I'll give you my thoughts... The way I see it, there are three options. 1. Move to FM5 - I know there are some who think this the best option. There definitely seems to be a lot more people playing it not compared to the start of the year. But, in my view, the game is still massively flawed and obviously unfinished. There's hardly any prototypes or GT cars, so we'd end up with a prototype class of R18s and 908s, and GT class of Ferrari, Viper and Corvette (unless we built them from road cars). There is a smaller selection of tracks. The penalty system is a joke, and totally open to abuse, with very little we can do to police it. And then there's the community platform, which is such a big step backwards over FM4, its ridiculous. I mean, no gifting? That's fundamental. 2. Move to Project CARS - I definitely think this game is worth having a serious look at. We won't know until we play it for ourselves whether its suitable for the series. But it definitely looks promising. 3. Stick with FM4 - I still think its the most suitable platform currently available to us. But I wouldn't be posting this if it wasn't without problems. And that problem is the numbers obviously. I'm trying to keep the current season going until the end. But I'm thinking that we should also look at setting up a mini series on FM5. Start it in about a months time and run maybe a six race series on the American tracks or something. I don't know exactly what format it would take yet, I'm open to ideas and suggestions. I would also need people to help me with it. I won't be able to run it on my own. So yeah, please post below with your own thoughts on what you think should be done, or anything else relevant. Thanks. |
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| galeforce97 | Jul 19 2014, 12:51:10 AM Post #2 |
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I feel that forza 5 doesn't work with this kind of racing that you are looking for. The tracks that are there would be great but the cars are a big problem. I feel there are 2 options. You could stay with fora 4 for 1 more season and then next year forza 6 should be out and then that will be a point to choose. Project cars is the second option and looks like it will be a good way for the series to go but we wont know how well the game suits this type of series until it comes out. At the end of the day you and the other admins/ moderators get the final say but either way i would like to see this series the way it was before i got here when there were more than 6 cars at each race |
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Number 43 First season of flms 2014 GTE Young Driver AMR Starts: 11 | Poles: 3 | Wins: 3 | Podiums: 7 | Top 10s: 11 | Failed To Finish: 0 | Points Position: 1st | Best finish: 1st 2014 FLMS + FWEC GTE drivers champion 2014 FWEC GTE Teams champion | |
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| ClarksonsRiders | Jul 19 2014, 01:22:17 AM Post #3 |
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FM5 is obviously out of the question, the car selection and community/online aspects are appalling and it would be a farce to try and run a season on there. Project CARS looks promising, especially with their recently announced Le Mans deal and the ridiculously broad track and car list. As Gale said, we'll have to see how it is when it comes out, but it's definitely a feasible option. Staying on FM4 is safe and easy, but as this year has shown, it probably won't bring in many people any more, and numbers that continue to drop won't help the series much. That being said, it's still a viable option for the future. |
![]() #20 Lola B12/60 Mazda 2014 FLMS P1 (Porsche Team/Dyson Racing): Starts: 12 | Poles: 2 | Wins: 3 | Podiums: 9 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 2nd 2014 Forza World Endurance Championship LMP1 Drivers Champion 2013 FLMS P2 (HVM Status GP): Starts: 13 | Poles: 2 | Wins: 1 | Podiums: 5 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 3rd 2012 FLMS P1 (Aston Martin Racing): Starts: 12 | Poles: 0 | Wins: 0 | Podiums: 2 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 3rd 2012 FLMS P2 (Signatech Nissan): Starts: 2 | Poles: 0 | Wins: 1 | Podiums: 2 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 6th 2012 Forza World Endurance Championship 12 Hours of Sebring Winner with Audi Sport Team Joest | |
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| I RickyTan I | Jul 19 2014, 05:33:14 AM Post #4 |
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i have a feeling project cars is going to be like shift 2. but obviously il wait till its out before i judge it. iv been in many series so far on forza 5 with virtual motorsports, TORA and some other smaller leagues and yes it does have floors but nothing you cant overcome. iv done 3 multiclass series too. one was with built up GT cars. the others was with the current GT cars( Ferrari, Corvette, Bmw, Viper and aston) in the game built up to R900. which on tracks apart from leman were balanced. only problem is there is no Porsche. For the prototypes, TORA only used the r18. When they were all painted they actually looked legit. Heres a rebellion ![]() Due to the whole cloud thing its always being updated. Fixable aero was a good addition Although its not a storefront anymore you can still share vinlys groups. When I want to share my paint scheme to a friend for e.g. I just group into one layer group and share it so he can put it on with his own number. So the no gifting thing can be worked around with ease. Tracks list is ok for a series to run on. You got a lot of the big name tracks which is all that matters really. Honestly though I cant see how you can say its not possible to run a series on forza 5. Weve done more with less in the past and im sure vm and tora wouldn’t waste their time with it if it wasn’t possible to have a good series on there. getting the numbers up should always be the number one priority. you could also have gt2 cars with built up road cars to gt3 spec and then have a spec prototype class Edited by I RickyTan I, Jul 19 2014, 05:45:02 AM.
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| I RickyTan I | Jul 19 2014, 05:54:15 AM Post #5 |
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Cataluyna Bathurst Spa Long beach Yas marina – probably to hard to school Silverstone Road Atlanta Road America Nurburgring Sebring Laguna seca Le man bugatti circuit Indinapalis enough to have a decent series. and i heard monza was scanned so we could see that added soon |
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| Xx VenomTDI xX | Jul 19 2014, 06:37:08 AM Post #6 |
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Please don't stay on forza 4, that's the only reason I'm not racing no more just because I wouldn't want to go back to play with forza 4 physics and then go back to forza 5 physics where I'm doing multiple series on there. And I say next season do it on Forza 5 or project cars. Ricky has a really good point and ideas with all of this next season stuff!
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| Xprimary123X | Jul 20 2014, 01:03:42 AM Post #7 |
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I would recommend staying on Forza 4 for one more season or possibly a split series. Both offering races but on different games. Like Project Cars or FM5. Also, we would need a direct comparison between Project Cars to it's rivals like FM5 and 4. I'd say that if project cars physics are flawed or racing cannot be easily achieved on it then to stick to Forza 4 only because racing on Forza 5 would be only one or some P1s and built up GTE or GT pro cars. But overall id say play it safe and stay on 4 for one more season. |
| 2014 FLMS Team SRT. Team Starts:5 Highest position:2nd Podiums:2 DNFs:1 | |
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| Aero180 | Jul 20 2014, 06:50:12 PM Post #8 |
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| LMR Bandit | Jul 22 2014, 02:51:24 AM Post #9 |
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Maybe you could have the prototype/GT racing on FM4 and, for FM5, try something like PWC or Blancpain and have the GT2/Aston as the top class and build up some of the production cars for the bottom class. |
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| mikelikebagette | Jul 25 2014, 11:13:20 AM Post #10 |
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I personally hated forza 5 and have actually got rid of it. To really just say my two bits, Forza 4 would be a last resort I'd like to think. A solid base we all know with the most amount of options for cars and tracks giving us a lot of variety to play with. project cars, without a doubt looks like it could be the future, still just got to wait for it to be released. With probably the biggest roster of tracks, and quite a few cars which link to us, GT cars are a plenty but mainly GT3 spec but I'm sure a lot of you won't complain about that. Prototypes, not so many but there is the ore a which makes up majority of the p2 field and there is the r18 and also a completely community designed prototype which actually looks very good, no Porsche which is a pain but who knows, they might have created it and waiting in licensing laws. I understand everyone has doubts on it's physics after the fiasco of shift 2 BUT with majority of the staff also coming from the creation GTR2 the physics stand a huge chance of being very realistic. Just have to really hope really whoever takes the game on to distribute it, which I think it was bandai I heard got the contract for it. BUT I REALLY CANT SEE a company putting in SO much effort over SO many years into detail and realism to put out a game that the physics are terrible and everyone hates. I personally think this game is the future for the flms and could push us further, it's a game that is aimed at racing fans for simulation so should also bring a lot of new people to the as it labeled as a community base game ever since the start. That's just my two bits. |
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| Maynard S4 | Jul 25 2014, 08:55:41 PM Post #11 |
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If the series goes to Project cars I'd 100% come back and race. (If the game lives up to the hype of course) |
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| Beboladea | Jul 29 2014, 07:22:59 AM Post #12 |
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I wholeheartedly agree |
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| Beboladea | Jul 29 2014, 07:49:11 AM Post #13 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-5F9SPsC0 In this interview, it actually sounds like project cars will be very conducive to what we do. Particularly around 5:55 in the video. |
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| mikelikebagette | Jul 30 2014, 07:19:22 PM Post #14 |
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i was cruising through for more info on it from less of a media eye and more just a gamers/racing game fans view. i came across this little piece which really sums up a lot of things people are dubious about and has really explained a few more things. http://www.pushsquare.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1329 there's certain bits that really give me hope on this game. ' Where GT6 looks and feels "spot on" and "technically perfect" (at least to me) Project Cars goes a step further.' this bit sounds A LOT like gtr2, which i was playing yesterday... still love that game. 'True pit stops, multi race formats, warmup, qualifying, real flag rules and penalties, mechanical failures, the ability to create your own championships' THIS i like the sound of, 'If it's better physics than in Gran Turismo? I'm not sure, it's different. More frightening in its whole experience I'd say. But by NO MEANS this is shift or another need for speed title (on FULL SIM setting that is) and gives racing enthusiasts LOTS to be happy about. As this is only getting better until release' anyway yeah just have a read, this guy as he explains is one of the guys who contributed money and became an early accessee so in my eyes a good person to really hear this from, as he isn't wanting another NFS game, but you'll see as he says the whole game CAN go from NFS basic arcade to full sim, with less crazy effects to draw in an arcade fan and true physics to make the REAL racing sim fan happy. im so excited for this game its unreal. |
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| Xprimary123X | Jul 30 2014, 10:59:22 PM Post #15 |
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In project cars, will there be enough P and GT class cars to run against? Cause I'll I've seen is Audi for P1 and Mclaren, Merc, BMW, and Aston for GT cars which wouldn't really be a good range of cars unless there is more that I haven't heard about |
| 2014 FLMS Team SRT. Team Starts:5 Highest position:2nd Podiums:2 DNFs:1 | |
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| Maynard S4 | Jul 31 2014, 01:49:34 AM Post #16 |
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Cars included in Project cars that could be used in an FLMS series - LMP1 -2011 Audi R18 TDI LMP1 -2013 Marek RP 339H (fictional community designed LMP1) -2013 RWD Motorsports P30 LMP1 (fictional community designed LMP1) -2014 Audi R18 e-tron quattro (Not Yet Started) LMP2 -2013 Alpine A450 LMP2 (currently only a livery) -2013 Oreca 03 LMP2 -2014 RWD Motorsports P20 LMP2 (fictional community designed LMP2) GT2 -2012 BMW M3 E92 GT2 GT3 -2013 Audi R8 LMS Ultra GT3 -2012 BMW Z4 GT3 -2013 Ginetta G55 GT3 -2013 McLaren 12C GT3 -2012 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3 -2014 RUF RGT-8 GT3(Fictional Racing Version) -2013 Bentley Continental GT3 (Not Yet Started) So we'd have the New Audi, And the two community designed P1's could be used to represent Porsche, Toyota, And Nissan. As for the LMP2's With got the Alpine, And the Oreca (Which could also be used as the Morgan, HPD, Zytek etc, As the current P2's look fairly similar). The community built LMP2 car is closed cockpit so it could represent the Ligier and Dome P2's, As well as the new closed cockpit HPD, And Zytek that have been announced. Only 1 GT2 car, And its an outdated one at that, So we'd have to go with GT3 for the main GT class. However we're missing a Ferrari, So James won't be happy. But still a fairly decent list of manufacturers with the Bentley in the process of being built, So should be on the game for release. The Nissan GTR GT3 is also rumored to be on the game. As for tracks take your pick... Real World Tracks European Circuits - Azure Circuit - Monaco - Besos - Circuit de Catalunya - Brands Hatch (laser scanned) - Cadwell Park - Donington Park - Florence - Mugello - Hockenheimring - Imola - Le Mans Circuit 24h - Le Mans Bugatti Circuit - Monza - Moravia - Brno - Nürburgring Nordschleife (Team Member+ during development) - Nurburgring GP (Senior+ during development) - Oschersleben - Oulton Park (laser scanned) - Silverstone - Snetterton - Spa Francorchamps - Zolder North American Circuits - California Raceway - Willow Springs - Lakeville Raceway - Sonoma Raceway - Monterey - Laguna Seca - Watkins Glen - Wisconsin Raceway - Road America Asian Circuits - Dubai Autodrome - Jin Ding - Zhuhai - Sakitto - Suzuka Oceania Circuits - Bathurst - Mount Panorama Edited by Maynard S4, Jul 31 2014, 01:53:50 AM.
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| ClarksonsRiders | Jul 31 2014, 01:59:16 AM Post #17 |
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Suffice to say we won't be short on tracks in Project CARS, it's going to have about the most expansive and diverse list I've ever seen in a racing game. The car list is also fairly solid, and like you said Maynard, very workable for a series like FLMS, and there's sure to be more cars added in before the game hits shelves in November, so that list can only get better. |
![]() #20 Lola B12/60 Mazda 2014 FLMS P1 (Porsche Team/Dyson Racing): Starts: 12 | Poles: 2 | Wins: 3 | Podiums: 9 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 2nd 2014 Forza World Endurance Championship LMP1 Drivers Champion 2013 FLMS P2 (HVM Status GP): Starts: 13 | Poles: 2 | Wins: 1 | Podiums: 5 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 3rd 2012 FLMS P1 (Aston Martin Racing): Starts: 12 | Poles: 0 | Wins: 0 | Podiums: 2 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 3rd 2012 FLMS P2 (Signatech Nissan): Starts: 2 | Poles: 0 | Wins: 1 | Podiums: 2 | DNFs: 0 | Points Position: 6th 2012 Forza World Endurance Championship 12 Hours of Sebring Winner with Audi Sport Team Joest | |
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| Xprimary123X | Jul 31 2014, 02:49:13 AM Post #18 |
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Is there no Porsche in project cars as well? If so, then I think we can still hold the "main event" or Le Mans Series events on project cars for sure! But maybe during the offseason awaiting the games release we can have a cup like mini series with cars like the Porsche 911 cup car and the BMW Z4 etc. some minor GTC racing before hand maybe? Cause it's looking like project cars will be the next step |
| 2014 FLMS Team SRT. Team Starts:5 Highest position:2nd Podiums:2 DNFs:1 | |
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| Beboladea | Jul 31 2014, 12:37:35 PM Post #19 |
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Thread has turned to a project cars hype thread |
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| Maynard S4 | Jul 31 2014, 02:00:10 PM Post #20 |
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Not exactly Porsche, But the game will include the road going Ruf RGT-8, As well as a community built GT3 Race version of the same car. So close enough that Porsche could be represented in Project Cars if we were to use that game in future... ![]()
Because Forza 4 is dead, And Forza 5 has left us with nothing else to get excited over. Honestly short of everyone buying PC's and going down the iRacing route, It seems Project cars is the only viable option going forward on the Xbox One. Also I'd say my post wasn't "hyping" the game in anyway, Another member asked about cars, So I made a post listing the cars we could possibly use if Project Cars was used for the FLMS in future. |
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